Lets talk Health Care/Why we are going to kill old people.

[DW_Bomzin]

So much rhetoric out there right now .

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My question is how do we go straight to a nazi socialist regime. How about some picts of Canada or any European country . I wish the Republicans would stop running on scare tactic politics and get some substance . All of what they say is not bad but it's hard to wade through it all.

Same person with some tougher questions.

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Well good old Betsy who started the whole Death Panel thing after the above interviews is now looking for another job . She says she resigned . I say she was fired seeing as how it was the day after .

I don't know what the answers to health care is . I do know that 9 years ago the dems were pushing hard for it . The Republicans take office and do nothing for the next 8 years on this subject . 14,000 people loose there health care every day . It's the #1 cause for bankruptcy in America . Costs are going up at an exponential rate yearly . I just talked to someone the other day working for a small business. Their cost per person was at $1100 monthly for just health . No dental no vision , becoming unsubstainable for them .

I never understood the group system for insurance . If you work for a big company and get insurance they get big discounts . Why not just make the insurance company the group ? So that everyone that belongs to an insurance company pays X amount . Not the way it is . Big companies get big dicounts and if you as an individual go to get insurance with the same company they charge you a much higher rate . Just belonging to the same insurance company should make you part of the group .

I do believe if the Republicans had their way we would not have Medicare right now witch is sort of mind boggling when you watch the news at all the old people against health care reform . Can't really blame them for being scared but when you are fighting against what you cherish it just doesn't make sense . If they are so much against government run health care lets kill Medicare .

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I would love to hear from some of our members in Canada or Europe about just how bad or good your health care is and if you would rather switch to a system more like we have here in the states .

[Savage]

Amen brother!

[Savage]

And go figure that it takes a freakin' comedian to set things straight and make some since out of all this. Republicans always use lies and scare tactics to get their way, I feel ashamed of ever being one at one point and now I am neither republican nor democratic, thank goodness.

[-1PARA-Queenie]

In Scotland we have the NHS (National Health Service) and we pay for it through our taxes so we don’t have to pay when we go to hospital, see our GP or get physio things like that. When it first started in 1948 it was awesome now it is far from it... Hugely under staffed, ridiculous waiting lists for such a small country, the staff they do have well in my dealings with a lot of them uuum they leave a hell of a lot to be desired, the hygiene of a lot of the NHS hospitals is well below par to the point it has cost several people their lives...it is sort of a never ending list.

At this rate the NHS will be phased out over the next 10 years or so and be fully replaced by the already massively growing private healthcare market or that’s my opinion of what should happen. Private healthcare costs a small fortune here and I am very lucky in the fact I have been covered on my dads health insurance policy if I wasn’t no way in hell would I have been able to pay for the operations, scans, tests and physio I have had. An op I was told the waiting list was around 2 years on the NHS... I got done within 2 weeks using private healthcare. Another one was after a car accident i was in hospital and they done pretty much nothing but do a few scans and tests and when they let me out nearly 2 weeks later, mainly due to my pestering them for a couple of days to let me leave as they were clearly not doing very much, i couldnt walk or do anything really. Within a few days got an app with my private healthcare surgeon when he seen me he was horrified at the state they had left me in within 5-10 mins with him he had me able to put weight on my leg again just with a tiny simple thing he done in his office to my knee now i was in hospital for nearly 2 weeks and they never done that, i also got surgery within 1-2 weeks of seeing him to fix the injuries from the accident that the hosp just didnt seem at all interested in trying to help with... So for me that says it all.

Had many bad experiences with the NHS a couple of good ones but I can honestly say with private healthcare they bend over backwards to help you and I have never had one bad experience with them for about 5 years now. Being a person who has dealt with both sectors as a patient my whole life I can say I would rather that the private sector took over if there could be some sort of balance of the cost of it, as right now the cost of private healthcare is not viable to roll out as the only available healthcare within the country.

So I dunno really in comparison to some countries yeah we have free health care and it is very helpful to a hell of a lot of people, I fully understand that but the government just don’t have the staff or the money to keep it up to a standard that is viable for good healthcare within this country end of...

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[Savage]

I have no health car at this point, I must work so many hours within every 6 months before I can get covered under our insurance and I must maintain those hours for every following six months and with job few and far between right now, it is awful. I have a tooth that has rotted past the gum line and a few of my bottom front teeth, the gum has receded exposing the jaw bone. I also suffer from mysterious stomach pain every morning and I can't get my second surgery on my left knee. I can't afford it. I am falling apart. I say it is better to have poor coverage than none at all and anyway, i trust Obama, I think he will do well. Also we can keep our coverage if we have it, it is just so people with none can be taken care of. I have good insurance when I have it by maintaining those hours which isn't much, I could take off for a couple months and still be insured, Their are several ways it works out; However, when I don't get enough work, I lose it. I can get it back fairly quickly by putting in extra hours within the next 3 months, it is confusing. Although it is very good to have. When I don't have it, doctors don't take a second look, they charge me for shit that isn't necessary, and they don't give two shits about my well being. I could really use some shitty insurance every once in a while. I could really use some shitty government insurance right now and I don't see the government murdering old people, the government is the old people. Thats like saying they plan to kill themselves... FINE! Kill yourselves, as long as me and mine are taken care of. I kid, their is nothing in that bill that says that. It is bullshit that the rich are saying to avoid their fat wallets from being taxed just a little bit more. Republicans want the rich richer and the poor poorer and this bill fucks all that up.

[DW_Damaged]

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.” – Thomas Jefferson

Maybe all those in favor of Socialized Healthcare should read that one. Ronald Reagan, while not a founding father, put it this way, “Nations crumble from within when the citizenry asks of government those things which the citizenry might better provide for itself.” What a brilliant understanding of the role of government and human nature.

I am SO against a National run healthcare system just as I was against the bailout of the auto industry, the banking industry and the housing industry. America has proven without a doubt that when big business fails small business prospers. For the government to tell me what I can and can not do is not only a jump into Socialism its knocking on the door to Communism. This country was founded on creativity, hard work and dreams not with handouts.

When did “We the People” turn into “We the Government”?

I agree we need to make changes but we sure as hell don’t need to reinvent the wheel.

[Savage]

Tell that to my colon... Look, this country is already screwed and "we the people" has been taken away from us a long time ago. The government already takes almost half our money, the least they can do is help out a few people who need it. They are not taking away our ability to care for ourselves, they are helping those who can't.

The Government takes, takes, and takes, and I don't see them returning a damn thing. What the hell is a Government for if not this?

Throw all that freedom shit out the window, when you walk onto your job, you just walked into something worst than communism, you walked into a dictatorship, and outside of work isn't much better. You must work or be thrown on the streets and your family starved so in essence, this is a dictator ship. I would prefer communism. We are slaves! We ain't free, we just pretend we are.

Trust me, the Government doesn't want to take care of us, they would much rather keep it the same. The same being us taking care of them.

Everyone wants a change but doesn't want to change... Gotta break a few eggs to make an omelet.

[DW_Damaged]

I don't know what the answers are but I can tell you this it's NOT the government. They will tell you whatever you want to hear so they can get bigger and stronger and we have ro rely on them more and more. I mean come on they pay $600 for a screw for a toilet what the hell is it going to cost you for a months supply of medication? All I want the government for is to make sure this country is safe nothing more and nothing less. As far as health care goes I pay $400 a month for my wifes health insurance so she can go to any Doctor or Hospital anywhere in the country without waiting for some government funded program to tell her where to go, who to see and what is or isn't paid for. I work my ass off everyday and pay more than my fare share of taxes and you know what I want?

I want the Government to stay as far away from my life as possible.

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Be careful what you wish for because you could end up with something like this.

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[DW_Bomzin]

Thanks for the input RocketQueen, very interesting .

I mean come on they pay $600 for a screw for a toilet what the hell is it going to cost you for a months supply of medication?

The government does not pay $600 for a screw , It only costs a dollar from what I understand of Blackwater . Realistically if you see something on a invoice for the so called $400 dollar hammer , it was a payment of $10 for the hammer the remainder of that money has been funneled to things they don't want you to know about.

I don't know that I'm all for a goverment run health care either, but it is better then nothing for Millions of Americans and that count is increasing daily .

It's all the rhetoric from the far right that is driving me nuts , instead of having an intelligent debate over what should be done we get what we have been getting .

Things like death panels , guess what we already have them and it falls to the bottom line of the corporate health insurance, if they can find away of getting out of paying for something they will, if you get sick and they can drop you they just may. If you don't belong to a big corporation to back you and just some small company you could be screwed insurance or not, even worse for people that go and get it for themselves. I'm sure I could find you a thousands examples of this if I went looking .

All I want the government for is to make sure this country is safe nothing more and nothing less

So does that mean we should do away with every social program we have? The same arguments we are hearing today about socialized medicine leading to communism was used to fight medicare .

As far as health care , I think we are pretty much screwed either way . To much money being thrown at our politicians . In 1993 95% of the money taken in by insurance was put toward health care . Today it is at around 83% . The current bill is going to allow them to goto 65% pocketing 35% for profit . This is in the current bill the way it sits , lovely reform eh.

and last but not least

For the government to tell me what I can and can not do is not only a jump into Socialism its knocking on the door to Communism.

Lets do away with all laws on the books also ? They tell you what you can and can't do constantly. What exactly are you referring to I'm confused .

[DW_Damaged]

Lets do away with all laws on the books also ? They tell you what you can and can't do constantly. What exactly are you referring to I'm confused .

You are correct Bomzin they already tell us what to do. What I should have said is were heading down the road to Socialism and if were not careful well be walking through the door into Communism. I know things are broken and people need to get health care but I just can't see letting the government do it for us. I wish I had the answers but I havent got a clue.

Just be careful what you wish for is all I have to say.

Peace Out